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Bordon tip(again)
- AF (10th Feb 2023 10:32:13)
I won't go on too much but I have noticed on nextdoor website people complaining like me about the unnecessary bordon tip booking system I am not a little me voice in the wilderness. GET RID OF BOOKING.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Re (10th Feb 2023 11:32:13)
The booking system is fantastic no waiting easy to book long may it last and no queuing marvellous.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Ian (10th Feb 2023 12:12:00)
I love the booking system, Way better than before.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Al (10th Feb 2023 12:43:15)
The booking system was brought in to stop people from outside the area bringing all and sundry to the tip, I don't mind it as it's more beneficial and more organised.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Penny Williamson (10th Feb 2023 14:37:04)
Booking system is fantastic - no more queues even at weekends.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- PR (10th Feb 2023 14:53:10)
The booking system works well, and requires just an email.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- M (10th Feb 2023 15:36:25)
AF, unfortunately you're in the minority.
The booking system works very well, easy to use and you know you'll not have to wait long (if at all) once you get there.
If the system works well why would they return to something that the majority don't want?
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Paul (10th Feb 2023 15:43:17)
5:1 in favour of the booking system, AF!
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- C.G (10th Feb 2023 15:51:15)
The booking system is excellent, drive in and out and very well
run
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Jen (10th Feb 2023 22:43:23)
The current system is so easy. Pick a date, pick a time slot, enter your details and click "confirm", then load the car up a few minutes before your slot starts, drive to the tip, go straight in, distribute the things into the appropriate bins, then drive home.
The previous system was far less efficient. Pile loads of stuff into the car and drive to the tip, only to find that there's a queue of cars stretching down the road waiting to get in.
Faced with that situation, what do you do?
Drive back home again and try again later? But the stuff's still in the car - what if you need to be somewhere else later? What if there's an even longer queue when you do go back?
Drive back home and take all the stuff out of the car again, so you can load it all back in again and try again later or try again the next day or next week and still get a queue? I don't think so!
Moan about the queue, sit in it for 20 or 30 minutes, turning the engine on and off, trying not to pollute the atmosphere or overheat the engine as you inch towards the front of the queue?
I know which system I prefer - and it isn't the old one!
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Gr (11th Feb 2023 06:26:34)
Booking system is so easy 2 mins on the phone done
No big queues no long waits for a space
Makes life easier
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Finchie (11th Feb 2023 10:13:52)
+1 for booking system.
I also love it that when booked, it gets me very focussed on filling the car and makes sure I have no excuses not to go ! Double bonus.
Happy clearing out weekend.
Cheers, Finchie
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- er (11th Feb 2023 10:58:42)
Another vote for the booking system, I agree with finchie its a great motivator to push on as you watch the clock tick!
The only downside used to be if you hadn't finished loading your car in time, and suddenly you realised you wouldn't get there before your slot closed, back then you couldn't book again for a week, you were left potentially with a car half full of garden rubbish and loads of stuff waiting on the side, but now I believe you can re-book for the next day which is miles better and less of a stress.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Darren (11th Feb 2023 14:52:27)
The booking system is brilliant. Gone are the days of queuing on the road waiting to get in.
You can now be in and out in a few minutes and enjoy the rest of your day.
Progress.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Steve (11th Feb 2023 22:08:56)
Booking system is a great improvement. Hopefully a permanent arrangement.
Sorry AR you seem to be in a minority on this one!
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Sam (12th Feb 2023 00:03:15)
100% of replies disagree with the original post .. I count 15 v 1 , in fact no agreements at all. Stop seeking attention on this subject and or just accept you're in the minority.
You are entitled to dislike and entitled to your freedom of views, but this isn't the first time on this subject. You're not getting your way via this platform
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- KM (12th Feb 2023 08:13:44)
+1 for the booking system. Give it up AR
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- DL (12th Feb 2023 10:52:55)
Just for balance I am not really a fan either. It's a bit better now you can actually book on the day, but I don't usually plan trips to the tip. Usually they are a result of doing some task, which means I want to go when said task is finished and I have all the rubbish, sometimes this is predictable, sometimes not.
For the non-mathematicians out there a sample size of 17 with no profiling is not considered representative. It's clear most people on this board like the booking system, but that's a group of predominantly like minded people, and excludes a majority of the population who don't bother posting their opinion here. It may reflect the majority, it may not.
It would be like going to a vegetarian board, conducting a survey on who likes steak, and then declaring that it is conclusive that no one in the world likes steak because the survey results were unanimous.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Joe (12th Feb 2023 13:28:17)
I do not think you need to be “profiled” to answer a simple question on whether or not the booking system is popular or not. For a start only people with access to a car or van can use the tip, children are not going to drive themselves etc etc. Also it is not a political or class issue. Finally, the above poster is not correct to say this website is used by “ like minded people. Silly response to a perfectly simple question.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Penny Williamson (12th Feb 2023 14:37:50)
DL The majority of your post does not make any sense at all and indeed you do sound like one of these people who say " I want it and I want it now". It is called "instant gratification" and the majority of people, as they go through life, realise that they cannot always have what they need/want immediately. HCC did actually conduct a survey to ascertain whether the majority and I emphasise the majority of people wanted to keep the booking systems and the majority did. The figures on Nextdoor are 39 for and 15 against
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Jo (12th Feb 2023 15:53:35)
I find the booking system better too. Ok so it was a bit of a change in the beginning but once u booked your slot I'm more determined to go rather than put it off for another day. It's also so good to get there with no queues. In and out quickly to get on with my day
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Val (12th Feb 2023 16:54:10)
Knowing AF as I do, they will be loving all this attention. Well done everyone!
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- DL (13th Feb 2023 08:04:28)
Penny, thanks for making this into a personal attack, judging both my character and life experience just because I stated a preference. Whatever other people prefer the fact is the more barriers you put up to disposing of waste safely and responsibly, the more you will end up with people being irresponsible. Whilst I prefer the old system I still follow the rules for the new system, but there will invariably now be people who fly tip or similar because of this additional barrier, no matter how low it is.
Just because people don't understand sampling, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. The demographic that chooses to post opinions online or respond to a voluntary survey doesn't necessarily reflect the population, myself included obviously. This is what I mean by like minded, by voluntarily offering an opinion everyone here is already a subset of the population (vocal minority) as there is a greater majority that do not do this, they may or may not hold the same opinions or they may just not care.
Take the new McDonalds for example, if you went by this board as your representative sample, no one wants it so opening it would be the worst business decision ever, however in reality I suspect the balance sheet will look just fine.
Joe, a question doesn't need to be political or class related to be impacted by demographics. Even something as simple as favourite colour will vary depending your sample of respondents, as in some cultures certain colours are seen as more auspicious.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- DL (13th Feb 2023 08:25:03)
Just to add some facts to the above post, lets look at the data:
Fly tipping incidents in East Hampshire:
2012-13 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 404
2013-14 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 442
2014-15 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 437
2015-16 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 509
2016-17 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 676
2017-18 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 525
2018-19 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 426
2019-20 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 558
2020-21 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 1152
2021-22 E07000085 East Hampshire South East 1000
What could have happened since 2020 that caused the number to double?
Compare this to the country as a whole. A slight increase but not close to the same scale.
2012-13 *Total *Total *Total England 714637
2013-14 *Total *Total *Total England 857655
2014-15 *Total *Total *Total England 905604
2015-16 *Total *Total *Total England 941896
2016-17 *Total *Total *Total England 1011199
2017-18 *Total *Total *Total England 997612
2019-20 *Total *Total *Total England 979728
2020-21 *Total *Total *Total England 1138347
2021-22 *Total *Total *Total England 1091019
Source - [a]https://www.data.gov.uk/dataset/1388104c-3599-4cd2-abb5-ca8ddeeb4c9c/fly-tipping-in-england/datafile/07806adf-8e93-4e4d-a4b0-92e938846e17/preview[t]www.data.gov.uk/dataset/...[c]
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Re (13th Feb 2023 10:09:01)
So bringing back the controversial subject brexit , the majority voted out but the minority keep on bringing it up as it should not have happened?? . But we go by the majority that’s the way it works now by this thread the majority wants to keep the booking system by a landslide. No problem with a debate about it but the minority must agree that the majority won. I personally think that the fly tipping is caused by the tips charging so much for trade rubbish and charging for concrete and the like from the private people.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- passfield resident (13th Feb 2023 10:20:29)
Fly tipping is caused by morons. Nothing complicated about it
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- L (13th Feb 2023 10:44:54)
Take a look at figure 5
[a]https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fly-tipping-in-england/fly-tipping-statistics-for-england-2020-to-2021#fly-tipping-incidents-in-england-by-waste-type[t]www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fly-tipping-in-england/fly-tipping-statistics-for-england-2020-to-2021#fly-tipping-incidents-in-england-by-waste-type[c]
and now think of costs to dispose of properly whether that be free or at a charge.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Joe (13th Feb 2023 10:54:54)
I have issues with the way DL is off beam with applying sampling to this issue. Of course only a small section of the local people have replied. It would not be logical to assume that the whole of the population of Liphook will reply - eg babies, children, those living with their parents, those with no internet, those with no recycling- those living off grid who utilise every scrap- those without a car who pay people to take it away including the council garden waste service. The most logical approach would be for EHDC to ask this question of the tip users. So no one is saying “ the whole population” is happy with the recycling service only those who go on this website.
When I answer on line surveys they are usually geared up to sell you something. For example the ones asking my opinion on broadband and telephone services - half way through the survey I am disqualified from answering because the questions are aimed at someone in the market to buy something who is usually a lot younger. Surveys which include profiling are very biased. Everyone’s opinion should be valid.
I agree with you it has led to an increase in flytipping.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- DL (13th Feb 2023 11:15:02)
Sampling done incorrectly will introduce bias, but done correctly it is definitely not biased, and actually reduces bias. Important to note that bias does not have to be intentional to exist.
Examples of this effect, online reviews, do you think they reflect the majority view of all people who have bought a product or service?
or another common one, new build houses are worse quality than old houses - it may or may not be true, but we have survivorship bias in that the really bad old houses have already fallen down or been demolished.
Anyway that's a different topic, the part we agree on - that it has led to an increase in fly tipping, is clearly a bad thing, I doubt many would disagree with that. It also speaks louder than any survey - some people (morons or otherwise) who previously disposed of their rubbish at the tip now just dump it wherever (or use an unlicensed carrier who does so). It's not a stretch to suggest that if these people bothered to fill a survey they would not be saying they like the new system.
Whilst the new system stops a bit of queuing for a few people, in doing that it restricts access to others and makes the environment worse for all of us through fly tipping.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- Penny Williamson (13th Feb 2023 13:45:14)
DL I apologise if you thought that the content of my post was attacking your character and life experience. That was not my intention. I was merely responding to your sentence “which means I want to go when said task is finished and I have all the rubbish” ie immediate gratification. Moving on to question of fly tipping. Fly tipping should not be blamed on cost or the booking system. It is caused by ignorant, selfish and unprincipled human beings who think that for whatever reason it is perfectly acceptable to dump their rubbish anywhere and expect someone else ie in this case, the taxpayer, to pick up the tab. Absolutely inexcusable under any circumstances as in any sort of littering including pooh bags. The dumping of pooh bags filled with dog faeces is not because of cost or the booking system at the tip and this is definitely on the increase. The fact that fly tipping apparently is on the increase, although I do take some issue with this as fly tipping has always been a problem, says a great deal about the morals of our present-day society.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- M (13th Feb 2023 17:13:00)
I don't think (my opinion, no facts or figures) that the booking system has increased the incidents of fly tipping.
I think what has increased it is the fact you have to have your vehicle registered, be an EHDC resident, you can't take a van/pick up/trailer and there are limits/costs involved in disposing of certain items.
All the above results in the "Morons" fly tipping their rubbish (or the rubbish someone has paid them to take away) not the fact you have to make an appointment.
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Re: Bordon tip(again)
- AF (15th Feb 2023 13:53:00)
Of course DL has a point about fly tipping. As alot of people have said there used to be a long wait to get into the tip, but to be fair this was at the weekend not week days but I digress. Now with no waiting and the tip mostly empty with booking, I've NEVER seen more than 2 cars now, and often I'm the only one there.
Less people are using the dump so where is the rubbish going.
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