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Liphook square
- Russ (8th Jun 2023 10:28:26)
Standing in the square yesterday at school turn out time I was astounded at the chaos with children crossing the roads all over the place with no road sense at all. And the buses all coming through the square I thought all the transport for bohunt school had to use the A3 junction not go through the square.
Where do the buses go if it’s midhurst area then they should go out to the A3 and the same for Haslemere and Petersfield.
It’s time HCC Highways sorted this huge problem why should we the liphook community have to put up with this spoiling our conservation area. Don’t the teachers teach road safety anymore and be more careful around cars.
The crossing in the square must be changed to a controlled crossing otherwise there will be a fatality very soon.
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Re: Liphook square
- Ann (8th Jun 2023 10:59:09)
The zebra crossing by the Hungry Horse is a total nightmare with school children - they cross in dribs and drabs so causes congestion with traffic. It should be made into a pelican crossing - rant over!
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Re: Liphook square
- er (8th Jun 2023 11:59:21)
First of all, rhetorical question, when is a complaint or moan a rant? Complaining has become the norm in life, TalkBack is probably the single most useful aid to the mental health of Liphook! By the way, I like to moan but I never rant!
Traffic lights v zebra crossings, perhaps at school start and finish time traffic lights would enable a more orderly system of crossing for both motorist and pedestrian.
Don't forget it's illegal to drive off if there is a pedestrian still on a zebra crossing, even if they have past you and are nearly at the other side, if the car moves off it commits an offence. Multiply one person by hundreds and you can see the problem. How many car drivers are breaking the law and endangering school children by being impatient I wonder?
As pedestrians are the most vulnerable road users legally, children more so, car drivers have responsibility for their safety, pedestrians may cross the road anywhere, it's perfectly lawful for them to cross outside of designated crossings, this is not America, we must take responsibility for driving at a speed appropriate for the conditions and always being capable of stopping and giving way to children crossing!
Unless the children are misbehaving in some other way, then within reason they are carrying out a perfectly lawful action wherever they cross, the school might perhaps choose to set further rules, that's a matter for them, but whatever view we take about children crossing, I'm sure we'd all agree we must all slow our highly dangerous mass of metalised weaponry down to a suitable speeds when driving in the village and shame those who won't.
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Re: Liphook square
- Penny Williamson (8th Jun 2023 15:21:32)
Er I totally agree that drivers have a responsibility for the safety of all pedestrians and that drivers must take responsibility for driving at a speed appropriate for the conditions and always be capable of stopping and giving way to children or anyone else at a pedestrian crossing! Breaking the speed limits anywhere is inexcusable. However there are always two or more sides to any discussion:
1. Pedestrians must always be aware of where they are and what other road users are doing. So often you see, particularly school children, talking on their mobile phones, plugged into some listening device or just talking to other children, not taking any notice of what is going on around them and sometimes stepping off the pavement without looking. What happened to stop, look right, look left and look right again before crossing anywhere? Even on pedestrian crossings it is very foolhardy to just step onto the crossing without looking and I have seen that often enough.
2. Parents should take responsibility and start teaching children when they are very young the basics of road safety.
3. This should be continued and emphasised by the school.
As always the words that spring to mind are carefulness, consideration and respect for all road users whether they be in cars or on foot.
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Re: Liphook square
- Russ (8th Jun 2023 16:47:46)
er not sure if you are a driver but as I said children stepping of pavements in front of cars as the car is just about to move. As for speeding all six roads at a standstill. What happened to the green cross code taught in school?? . The crossing is a nightmare six roads trying to go through 50 meters of square narrow road with children running across Willy nilly not looking. As said WHY are the coaches going through the square this must be stopped today just seen a huge coach going through queens street to Haslemere no other car could pass totally unacceptable. This has been going on for far too long and the huge increase in traffic is ruining liphook. Yes it’s all been said before but nothing gets done. People living in liphook trying to go about their normal daily business it’s a nightmare the through traffic has increased dramatically. Yes it will fall on deaf ears but that’s life.
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Re: Liphook square
- Capt Sensible (8th Jun 2023 17:49:56)
One poster hit the nail on the head, replace the Zebra with a Pelican, it will go a long way into easing the situation.
Kids will be kids, parents will be parents, coach drivers will be coach drivers, you will never change these things
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Re: Liphook square
- Russ (8th Jun 2023 19:03:44)
Did say in my opening post that it should be a controlled crossing ie pelican same as both sides of the square and bohunt school.
While they are at it they should make the one in headley road one as well.
But don’t hold your breath liphook gets nothing because people won’t fight for it especially our councillors and our county councillor.
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Re: Liphook square
- Russ (10th Jun 2023 14:01:43)
Well helping lib in the square today don’t tell me we don’t have a huge traffic problem. All six roads queuing midhurst road back to the roundabout Headley road back to the co-op and still going. Not a break and horns blasting as drivers get more frustrated. WHAT HAPPENED to our CONSERVATION Area HCC highways have got to do something loads of suggestions for ring roads and land for it . And please don’t say more roads mean more houses we are going to have hundreds more houses anyway.
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Re: Liphook square
- Jen (11th Jun 2023 12:17:31)
Russ, if you don't want me to say it, I won't say that more roads mean more houses. However, I will say with a high degree of certainty that building more roads tends to increase traffic rather than reduce it.
It's a well-known phenomenon called "induced traffic". If you search on Google, you'll find many articles and details of traffic studies. Here is one.
[a]https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/building-new-roads-just-creates-more-traffic-heres-the-proof/[t]greenpeace.org.uk/news/building-new-roads-just-creates-more-traffic-heres-the-proof[c]
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Re: Liphook square
- passfield resident (11th Jun 2023 13:40:38)
There's a much more obvious answer-people should use their cars less. A huge percentage of cars driving through Liphook have only one person in them, and I bet a reasonably large minority are being driven by people who could walk, bike , use public transport or share cars. We need to get to grips with environmental and congestion problems caused by cars, and we need more imaginative solutions. In the end we won't solve the global warming catastrophe that is coming unless we are prepared for a bit of inconvenience and a slight drop in our living standards.
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Re: Liphook square
- Mike Madras (11th Jun 2023 16:53:08)
It would be nice if the Madhuban could spare some cash to paint their building, it is about the worst tip in Liphook ~ expect the curry is OK ~ but if you wish to profit from a community at least give it some respect ~ troll on
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Re: Liphook square
- Joe (11th Jun 2023 17:12:47)
Just to add fuel to the fire I have read Hampshire Highways transport policy plan to cover the next 20 years, and it puts as a priority encouraging people to walk and cycle, there are no plans to build more roads, only to do essential maintenance. Even in the latest NDP policies for the square they are encouraging walking and cycling in Liphook. If there were less drop offs by car so near the schools that would help enormously.
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Re: Liphook square
- Paul (11th Jun 2023 17:25:11)
Hi,
Until there is a "bypass" road in Liphook it will remain an ever increasing problem year-on-year, and slower and slower traffic not moving forward.
There was a proposal before, through Bohunt manor to Longmoor road. Another from the A3 South bound through Chiltlee Manor to Sainsburys.
None of this happened, so grid-lock continues...sad.
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Re: Liphook square
- Russ (11th Jun 2023 17:39:14)
Well Jen what do YOU suggest to make the centre of liphook traffic free?? . Because that’s what HCC highways said when they revamped it that it could be pedestrian only and just local traffic and deliveries. I still stand by my statement that if we are to have more houses which we are then they should incorporate a ring road to take traffic away from the square. What’s the point of having a conservation square when it’s devastated by traffic not rocket science 90% of the traffic through the square is through traffic which could be diverted around if roads were built in the right place if you look at the map NO new roads have been built since the stage coaches came through except for the bypass and now it’s worse than then because all around liphook houses have been built new towns etc with no thought as to where all the traffic will go most through liphook to access the A3 and Haslemere. Station so that means all the side roads are 100 times busier than before. Even Haslemere traffic is still signed through liphook from the north junction ridiculous nobody cares.
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Re: Liphook square
- Russ (11th Jun 2023 20:21:25)
Very disappointing that everyone rolls out the same old same old stuff. Nothing positive to get traffic away from the heart of our community. The centre of liphook is being devastated by traffic and NOBODY seems to care just come up with we can’t do this we can’t do that how pathetic. Sorry but having lived here all my life over 80 years it breaks my heart to see it happening when with good planning it could be rectified. Why can’t developers be made to put in roads when they put in an application ie oak park longmoor road golden opportunity lost to join headley road with longmoor road all the traffic coming in on the headley road could have been diverted to the A3 to go north and south AND Haslemere what a difference that would have made. Anyway nobody cares so nothing will change but it could be done.
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